this is mt. tronodor. doesn't it sound like orks live there or something? we thought so, so we decided to hike up to the top and throw the one ring into a volcano if there was one, which there wasn't. there weren't any orks there either, or gollums, or black riders. instead there were horseflies. horseflies like you cannot imagine in your most heinous nightmares. it was about 6 hours up hill, with our packs on, and we were so busy swatting horseflies the whole time that we didn't even get winded from the climb.